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Riona ([personal profile] rionaleonhart) wrote2011-06-30 08:57 pm
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My Mutation Causes My 'Knowing When To Shut Up' Gene To Malfunction.

Something that particularly struck me in my rewatching of X-Men: First Class was one of the conversations between Charles and Raven. Charles says, 'Don't make me read your mind'; Raven says, 'You promised me you would never do that.'

And Charles says, 'Until recently, I never had to read your mind to know what you were thinking.'

This fascinates me. Because he's lived his whole life with the ability to hear what other people are thinking, Charles feels he's entitled to know everyone else's thoughts. In his head, 'I didn't know what you were thinking' is a perfectly legitimate justification for reading someone's mind. His promise that he would never read Raven's mind was a token gesture, because he didn't feel he needed to; I don't think he would have made that promise if he didn't feel confident in his ability to determine her thoughts anyway.

I suppose his attitude is sort of analogous to my reaction when I'm trying to converse with someone through a closed door; at some point, I'm going to ask whether I can come in, because I hate being deprived of visual feedback in a verbal conversation. Charles is used to mental feedback and feels off-balance without it.

I'm not sure what my point is here. I suppose it's that Charles doesn't understand the concept of mental privacy. Not only does he not respect the mental privacy of others; he doesn't realise that there's anything there to respect. In essentially saying 'you can't expect me to keep my promise if I don't know what you're thinking', he makes it clear that he doesn't really comprehend the importance of that promise; he doesn't understand why Raven might not want him inside her head. It's as inexplicable to him as it would be to me if a friend of mine said, 'Hey, could you possibly close your eyes whenever we talk from now on? It's just that the idea of you looking at me makes me really uncomfortable.'

Charles Xavier, you are such an intriguing man. His power seems like one that would engender empathy, but he lacks it in crucial areas like these, and I find that so interesting.

I love thinking about how the mutants relate to their powers, and how they'd react if they were suddenly taken away. If you took away Erik's mutation, for example, it would destroy him. Even though he must have terrible associations with it from his childhood, he loves his mutation; he thinks it's what sets him apart and makes him superior to humans, yes, but he also loves it on a more personal level. He's so very happy and animated in the 'go on, go on, I can deflect it' scene. Charles rather takes his powers for granted; if you asked him, he'd probably say he didn't rely on them that much, but take his telepathy away and make him interact with a stranger (or indeed with anyone other than Raven) and I imagine he'd have quite a lot of trouble. Alex, on the other hand, doesn't seem entirely comfortable with the power he has at his disposal, and he might be more relieved than distressed to wake up without it one day.

I CAN'T STOP TALKING. And of course I'm speculating on characters that already have decades of characterisation behind them. All my pondering is based on a single film! I have no authority whatsoever! Still, X-Men canon seems to be fairly convoluted and self-contradictory (just ask Erik/c Le(h)nsherr), so...

[identity profile] lotus0kid.livejournal.com 2011-06-30 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Charles learns empathy over the course of being Professor X and being put in charge of young mutants.

In a Heroes fic I once read there's a part where a character who used to be telepathic realizes how much he used to rely on picking up people's surface thoughts while he was talking to them, which I found fascinating. Similarly, in another fic there was a character who had been invisible for several years, and when he talked to another character she could easily read his emotions on his face because he'd gotten out of practice with hiding them.

Superpowers are endlessly fascinating to consider in their potential real-world consequences.

[identity profile] stardustcities.livejournal.com 2011-06-30 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I love everything this entry chooses to be ;_;

ESP THE BIT ABOUT ERIK AND HIS POWER. Because I'm working on a fic where he might lose it at the end. I'm debating -- still unsure. But you're right -- losing it would DESTROY him.

[identity profile] theoret.livejournal.com 2011-06-30 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Om nom nom, delicious thoughts! This entry is so pleasing. I feel a little guilty that I have no interesting thoughts to pay you back with, though. ALL I CAN DO IS AGREE. OH CHARLES, YOU DO TAKE A LOT FOR GRANTED.

[identity profile] th-esaurus.livejournal.com 2011-06-30 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, I love this. Charles is my favourite because, even though I love Erik, I feel like Erik is so--open. He's there for you to see all his flaws and fallacies. Whereas Charles is harder to read; on the surface, an altruistic, generous, kind character, but underneath, KIND OF A DICK??? It's more complex than that of course, but. That's what I love. Searching for those flaws.

(Also you know Erik's real name is Max anyway RIGHT.)

[identity profile] ruthi.livejournal.com 2011-06-30 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Charles rather takes his powers for granted; if you asked him, he'd probably say he didn't rely on them that much, but take his telepathy away and make him interact with a stranger and I imagine he'd have quite a lot of trouble

I think you are right there. Like all of Charles' privilege, he doesn't realise how much is there. I expect even interacting with a friend would be a problem for him.

[identity profile] bubbles-san.livejournal.com 2011-07-01 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
OH OH. There's an arc in Animated (from the nineties) that is supposed to be based on an arc from the comics wherein they all go to the South Pole and lose their powers and it's got BONDING and also dinosaurs.

he also loves it on a more personal level

In this one Evo fic I wrote once, we get a look at Magneto's base through one of his Acolyte's eyes, and basically, everything in the base has at least some metal on it (and the dishes are ALL completely made of metal, which is a pain for the one washing the dishes). Basically the guy has control issues. Also he never walks. In fact that's so much a part of my personal canon that when I went on an Evo stint a while back and he did walk, it took me several minutes to remember that I exaggerated that trait for the sake of comedy.

[identity profile] amy-wolf.livejournal.com 2011-07-01 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
I remember the comic book arc! Gambit and Rogue got to have strongly implied sex! (I think Gambit got depowered a different time in comic book canon and was distinctly annoyed - which makes sense, as he'd lost his "Look at this cool thing I can do!" but still had the glowing red eyes that made it easy for people to spot him as a mutant - but in the short term, sex will cheer him up.)

[identity profile] bubbles-san.livejournal.com 2011-07-01 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
In Animated he confessed his love and they kissed, but she got grabbed and taken away by Sinister's goons before they could actually do anything. (Sinister would be my favorite villain if Magneto weren't such a massive dork in Evo and Animated.)
Edited 2011-07-01 15:31 (UTC)

[identity profile] amy-wolf.livejournal.com 2011-07-01 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Sinister is interesting, and rather creepy ("He experiments on people" is quite high on the list of things that creep me out). In the comics, he and Gambit have a complicated history.

[identity profile] bubbles-san.livejournal.com 2011-07-01 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
So I've heard! He too is somewhat of a dork in Animated. Come to think of it, everyone is a dork in Animated.

[identity profile] amy-wolf.livejournal.com 2011-07-01 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
These are interesting thoughts. Because Charles's power strikes me as basically creepy (I have all sorts of weird and embarrassing and occasionally ugly or creepy thoughts, and I don't want someone rummaging through them and judging me based on something that's crossed my mind at the moment, plus it's a bit like thought police to the millionth power in terms of having everything about you watched.) So it's quite hard to sympathize, but you're making him more understandable.

[identity profile] amy-wolf.livejournal.com 2011-07-01 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
It's odd to think of someone having such an understanding and sympathetic view of human nature while simultaneously not getting things like "People like privacy, and aren't just being arbitrary and unreasonable about wanting you to stay out of their heads."

[identity profile] zeitheist.livejournal.com 2011-07-01 10:34 am (UTC)(link)
Riona, please keep talking about this movie forever. (I wasn't quick enough to comment on your last post, but I read it with SUCH DELIGHT, and now this!)

'Until recently, I never had to read your mind to know what you were thinking.'

I'm also glad you made this post, because I felt like I was the only one who found this line worthy of note. At the time, I attributed it to being symptomatic of Charles' attitude towards Raven (which I tend to read in pretty unfriendly feminist terms). But I think you're right with what you say here: Charles is used to mental feedback and feels off-balance without it.

I would also point out the scene outside the CIA, where Erik asks Charles 'What you know about me?' and Charles replies with 'Everything'. It's possible that Erik was projecting his memories so strongly as he attacked Shaw that Charles couldn't help but see them, but at the same time I think this is related to what you say in this post: unconsciously, Charles does feel entitled to know everyone else's thoughts. In that sense his telepathy kind of becomes a crutch, like you say. And, um, I think this probably becomes relevant again in the final confrontation between Charles and Erik on the beach, where Charles is trying to diffuse the situation (to all intents and purposes) without using his mutation as he has come to depend on it.

ALSO I want you to know that the idea of Erik losing his mutation breaks my heart.

Also I'm sorry for writing so much. I HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS APPARENTLY.

[identity profile] fabrosaurus.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
I don't really have anything to contribute, but this was quite interesting and enjoyable to read. I just thought I'd let you know. :)